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COVID-19 Pandemic

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So... how is everyone? :| I'm currently fine. My parents are a little stressed, but coping. New Zealand's currently going into a hardline lockdown over this pandemic, with large events being cancelled left and right, and anyone coming here having to go into mandatory self-isolation for 14 days, except for people coming from the Pacific Islands. A recession is pretty much inevitable.

And we're already dealing with the worst drought in a century to boot. This is a major double-whammy. :(

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Right now it seems like the paranoia over this thing is far worse than the disease itself, at least from our perspective over here, anyway. At the present time, there is ONE confirmed case in the state in which I live, and not even in the same city...yet people have gone insane stockpiling toilet paper, for God only knows what reason, and virtually all the store shelves are completely empty. :evil: Here, where the disease itself is literally nonexistent.
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I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness of the illness itself; public attendance for nearly every major national sporting event such as the NBA and the NHL has been cancelled outright, which is virtually unheard of in the US. But...toilet paper? :?

I know this is nothing like the situation in China, where people have literally been dragged kicking and screaming out of their homes and thrown into quarantine facilities, and their pets are being beaten to death in the street. :cry: So at least we don't have to worry about that, here, or in most other relatively sane countries, I should hope. But it's still appalling. Hopefully people will calm the fuck down once the Israelis, or someone, come up with a viable vaccine.

In the meantime, here's what I think is a pretty measured and reasonable assessment of the situation.



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Still alive! ...which would be funnier if I wasn't in the immunocompromised category. Oh well!

Oregon's got 47 confirmed cases now, including one death over in the Portland area and I think multiple cases in the adjacent county; so the governor's ordered a partial shutdown of a bunch of stuff. On the plus side, I've been approved to consistently work remotely for the time being, so I don't have to worry about driving all the way over to the largest city in that adjacent county twice a week. Silver Bronze linings, and all that o_o
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We have 11 cases over here, all from people arriving from overseas. No community transmission yet, nor have there been deaths. As I said earlier, all overseas visitors and Kiwis returning home have to go into self-isolation for 14 days upon arrival, and any who ignore this or refuse will be arrested by police and forced into isolation. Foreigners may even be deported.

So far, a satisfactory response, going hardball on containment and breaking open the piggy bank to stave off a recession and unemployment. We're in uncharted territory here, since no one in living memory has seen a pandemic this bad before. The only historical equivalent I can think of is the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920. We aren't anywhere near THAT bad, and I doubt we'll see the apocalyptic death toll of that old-timey serial killer, but still, it's a little disconcerting. :shock:

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Sooo, it's been a few months. Was beginning to think the site had been shut down. I'm compelled to ask: how's everyone doing?

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snowman1989 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:24 pm
Sooo, it's been a few months. Was beginning to think the site had been shut down. I'm compelled to ask: how's everyone doing?
Speaking only for myself, I lost a month of work in April and at least one friendship, the latter of which still baffles me, but have otherwise been mostly unaffected by this whole mess. The biggest impact it's had on me, in fact, has been how depressing and demoralizing it's been to watch much of the world, and the U.S. in particular, succumb to a level of panic that has ultimately been far more destructive than the virus itself ever could have been, which has only become clearer the more I've learned about it.

I suppose I should probably elaborate on that at some point, but frankly, right now I'm tired of arguing with people about it, so I'm just going to leave it at that for now.
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Speaking only for myself, I lost a month of work in April and at least one friendship, the latter of which still baffles me, but have otherwise been mostly unaffected by this whole mess. The biggest impact it's had on me, in fact, has been how depressing and demoralizing it's been to watch much of the world, and the U.S. in particular, succumb to a level of panic that has ultimately been far more destructive than the virus itself ever could have been, which has only become clearer the more I've learned about it.
In New Zealand we've escaped the worst of the pandemic through a six week total lockdown, which was... well, it was something. :shock: We listened to the science. Listened to the data. Followed the example of countries that fought recent pandemics like Taiwan, and we've come out with life returning to as normal as can be possible. Domestically we have no restrictions anymore, but our border is closed to all foreigners for the first time in history. We're only allowing expat Kiwis home, and only after they spend 14 days in military/police quarantine before being allowed back into society.

That isn't to say we don't have any worries. We're headed for a nasty recession, but that was going to happen no matter whether we went into lockdown or not. I've also noticed a certain paranoia develop as we've become one of just a handful of countries that have successfully eliminated the virus. We're scared shitless of it coming back, and sometimes it translates into anti-foreign sentiment. Even expat Kiwis who have cleared quarantine are copping some hostility. Though, the few cases of expats breaking quarantine are not helping their case.

With the USA... well, you can probably predict I have a metric fuckton of things I could say about how the US has handled the crisis, none of it positive, so I won;t comment on it right now. The only consolation I can offer is that at least you aren't being lead by Bolsonaro. He seems determined to out-Trump Trump, calling Covid-19 fake and gay as he contracts the disease that's killed so many of his countrymen. :x That's a level of denying reality that's enough to drive you insane with disbelieving rage.

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With the USA... well, you can probably predict I have a metric fuckton of things I could say about how the US has handled the crisis, none of it positive, so I won;t comment on it right now.
Oh, I think you'd be in good company there....the CDC insisting on making their own tests instead of using the existing international tests, botching their tests so they didn't work, trying to silence the independent tests in Seattle, saying masks didn't help when they already knew they did but wanted the supply of masks for their own...most of congress and the media ignoring the early signs from China because it wasn't the impeachment they wanted that had no real chance of succeeding, retroactively deciding a two week lockdown was "actually" for however long the governors wanted it to last (which is actively counterproductive), states drastically inflating the coronavirus death counts; the claim that crowded protests/riots don't increase the risk of catching coronavirus but otherwise identical events do, to the point of police arresting churchgoers while avoiding rioters....
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Not to mention Trump effectively handing over control of the country for several months to a guy whose previous claim to fame was a declaration that people who are HIV-positive should absolutely go right ahead and continue having unprotected sex with strangers, as long as their viral count falls below a certain arbitrary level.

The narrative about Trump being all cavalier and reckless about this whole thing is a complete fiction. The problem has been the exact opposite. He's been totally down with the panic porn, and has obeyed the people peddling it without question, often completely reversing himself within a span of hours and contradicting his own public statements (like he never does that with anything else :roll: ).

Meanwhile the CDC, being chief among the panic peddlers I referred to above, haven't been able to keep their own story straight for longer than five minutes at a time, and literally every single prediction they've made about this thing, which have guided most of our public policies, have not just been wrong, they've been wildly off the mark, at pretty much every stage.
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Meanwhile the CDC, being chief among the panic peddlers I referred to above, haven't been able to keep their own story straight for longer than five minutes at a time, and literally every single prediction they've made about this thing, which have guided most of our public policies, have not just been wrong, they've been wildly off the mark, at pretty much every stage.
I can accept the two-week lockdown as a viable "oh SHIT we FUCKED UP" response, after realizing they'd screwed up the testing and the approach to testing and that the WHO had been regurgitating China's political propaganda in lieu of medical facts; and if they waited to see how fast corpses piled up, it'd definitely be too late for a lockdown to help.

So that's one "neutral-value" policy...which is a likely contender for the "best" thing the CDC's done so far.
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I can accept the two-week lockdown as a viable "oh SHIT we FUCKED UP" response, after realizing they'd screwed up the testing and the approach to testing and that the WHO had been regurgitating China's political propaganda in lieu of medical facts; and if they waited to see how fast corpses piled up, it'd definitely be too late for a lockdown to help.
That's the two weeks that ended up turning into two and a half months, right? But even that's irrelevant, since we now know there were cases as far back as December, which means by the time we started doing all this crap in April, it was already far too late for any of it to matter.

This wasn't a case of closing the barn door after the horse had already left, it was a case of closing the door several months after the horse had formally changed its address and the rest of the building had already burned to the ground.
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CWS wrote:
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That's the two weeks that ended up turning into two and a half months, right?
Yes; it passed out of the "acceptable" range past the two week mark.
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But even that's irrelevant, since we now know there were cases as far back as December, which means by the time we started doing all this crap in April, it was already far too late for any of it to matter.
Huh, Oregon's lockdown started in the middle of March....Anyway, did the CDC know then that there were cases as far back as December? Kinda want to calibrate specifically how incompetent the early (er, earliest?) response was.
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We went just over 100 days without community transmission, but COVID's coming back for Round Two. Apparently a sick family got the virus from an as of yet unknown source, and went all over the country before they were discovered as carriers.

As a result, Auckland has gone back into lockdown at Level 3 - meaning no one can enter or leave the region except essential workers. The rest of the country is now at Level 2, meaning there are now limits to gatherings, how many people can enter a store, and physical distancing is back. We'll know more on Friday if we have to go harder (most likely so) or if we can keep things as is for a couple of weeks.

Since I'm an essential worker at a supermarket, and I work in Auckland but live just outside the region, I have to go through a checkpoint manned by police and army officers twice a day. It ain't stressful, but the queues can be murder. My parents ended up stuck in on for two and a half hours just trying to get home last night, and they're considering just living at work until the lockdown ends.

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